Best Selling Author Doctor John Jaquish

And one of the parts is the psychological part and doing it with health, but doing actionable steps with smart choices. So Doctor John Jaquish is here and with no further do. Thank you, John so much for joining me today.
Thanks so much for having me. Yes,
Definitely. So nuts and bolts. Where are you in the world right now?
Near lake Tahoe.
Very cool. Very cool.
And stuff up here. And you know, my product is a main America. Now the bands, the lake tax, you can't grow tree latex in, in America very well. So the bands have to come from Sri Lanka. Everything else is not only and usually made in America means made in America, assemble in America, Chinese parks. Now the parts are made in America and then it is assembled in America box in America, and then ship moral that needs to go To such a high quality standard.
And then why did you decide to care to create the X three bar?
Well, so it has to do with the medical device. I invented that was my first invention in that that triggers bone growth. But when I was looking at the data that I pulled off, the first trial that was done in London, I noticed that people were using de-conditioned post-menopausal women were using 7, 8, 9 times their body weight when they would load the hip joint or the knee joint, or maybe like it was, it was just a huge departure from where we would see the loading in a, in a typical Fitness environment.
So I compared the data from the study that was done with my first invention. I didn't do that study. I just participated from a methods perspective of interest. So I basically just wrote the instructions like, Hey, this is the way to use it in any way. That is not this way, it's wrong because sometimes people just decide to invent their own way of doing things. And yeah, that's how soldiers shoot allies. So we want to keep that from happening. So, so w w what I wanted to do is look, take this study and really look at the comparison between that, and then what we had in like the innings database, which is something the national Institute of health states maintains.
There's 20,000 people in that survey, and they add about a thousand or 2000 a year to go into that survey data. So they ask them the same questions I haven't asked for the last 10 years was that
When you first participated in the studies, which year was that around
When I first, when, when the first publication came out on my invention, that was 2015,
2015,
The device had existed before, but without the clinical data, it should have really had, but, you know, it worked for everybody and people saw their own bone density going up. So that was enough for them. But yeah, some we needed from chronic credibility standpoint when I took their data. And when I looked at that, it was a very compelling because, because I compared the NHS database. So the data that came off the study about, about it's called OsteoStrong the technology and people were dealing with seven times the amount of force than they normally would in a weightlifting environment. So like somebody, some de-conditioned elderly person is compressing bone at seven times, their body weight voluntarily like strongest guy in the world.
Doesn't lift seven times his body weight. What really had to do with a specific positioning. I took with regards to the biomechanics of the body and forced delivery into the body. And so, and what I was trying to do is emulate the impacts of gymnastics. So gymnast of the highest bone density in the world are the outliers. And it's because of the way they contact the ground. They hit the ground at incredible velocity, and then they get sometimes 10 times their body weight. And now they are often injured, very young. And the average age of retirement for a gymnast is 19, right? The heart is a hard on your body kind of sport.
And then there's just, you only have to land wrong once and you can have a career, any injury. So, but no matter that, what I want to do is create a set of devices that will give us the Benefit of high impact without the risks of high impact. So that's what the device was. It drove that information. Once I had that information, I looked at the huge difference, a seven fold difference between what people actually work out with and what their capability is. So if we, if you know, when you're lifting weights, you're really using one seventh of what you could use. One seventh of your muscle tissue, one seventh of your actual potential wouldn't Ben Weight Lifting, be a waste of time or set a different way.
We're not seeing the kind of results out of weightlifting for a reason, because it's very inefficient. And that is why I wrote when I wrote my book, it's called Weight Lifting is a Waste a time because I can prove that
Audio as well for people
Is available here. Yeah. It's on Amazon. And it's largely about the journey that, that I first had. And then, and then I brought on my, my coauthor and he's a biomedical engineer. Also. He's been working on a lot of these things with me. And so when, when X three, when I first had the concept of X three, and he was the first person I showed it to and like, well, like, it can't really be this simple because it was simple design. And the answer is, yeah, it really is that simple
BAR. I've seen the different, the thick band, the medium band, the, the small bands I've seen the different bands. Yeah. And it just seems very simple. You can literally like pack it, take it with you wherever you go on a weekend trip. It's just, it's super simple to take whatever.
It's just the Vegas ad with me. But I take it. I have some great pictures from my balcony at the king George hotel in Athens.
Oh my God. Oh my God. Which we love, we love that hotel. And oh my God. Having breakfast at the buffet and then go to the Parthenon.
No. Yeah. The part that you could see the Parthenon behind me, I actually, I went to that restaurant and they started working out like next to my table. And of course I had like a film crew with me because they loved the area. And the restaurant was like, what are you doing? I mean, they
Had those, all those amazing paintings, the whole it's
Like 7:00 AM. Nobody was up there and I'm just like, we do this. And so besides, you know, I know the owners of the hotel, so it wasn't like that big of a deal, but I got some great pictures there.
Oh, I did a whole photo shoot up there also in the lobby, they have the most amazing artwork by these amazing artists, the artwork, everything, the lobby. So gorgeous. And then did you go next door to the restaurant next door and have dinner on the rooftop there too? There's a hotel next door. Yeah.
Oh, of course. Yeah. That same owner. I forgot the name of it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh my God. Okay. Yeah. Or like one day we're going to like be there together talking and just like,
You know, there's, there used to be a secret tunnel between there and parliament. Yes. That's how Winston Churchill would get the problem. Every day I used his office while I was there.
Yeah.
Churchill fan. He was one of the greatest leaders the world has ever had. And it was cool.
I don't know if you know it off the top of your mind, but do you have any favorite, like quotes or words of wisdom from Churchill that you kind of, or about your mantras that you live by?
They would all be very controversial actually. No, I take it back. There is one, you will never get to where you're going. If you stop on the road to throw rocks at every barking dog, ignore, ignore the haters. Honestly, they're just stupid animals, like barking dogs, like dogs, because they're smart. They, yeah. So, right. So just, just keep going. Yeah. Any attention to detractors, because guess what? They didn't invent anything, right?
Yeah. Yeah. Just it's it just takes you off your path of your goal and where you're going. Just not ignore the distractions. Just you, you acknowledge it. They're there, but then you just keep on going. Right. Because yeah. Very cool. Very cool. And then Tony Robbins is your partner with the X three bar. So tell us about,
Oh,
With Osteostrong. Okay. I'm not perfect. Don't don't hate me.
No, that's okay. He wanted to be, I was like, no, I got this one myself.
Oh. I watched the, I watched the video of him talking about OsteoStrong. So do you want to kind of pivot and talk about that? And I mean, I how'd, you meet Tony Robbins, how did he become your partner? Like, like how did you,
Hey, I got a great answer to that. Like a random phone call from Tony Robbins
Loved everything, your energy, your, what you were about on, he called you in and said, Hey, like, I want you to be my new best friend. Let's go into business together. Like we're having,
Yeah. Well, he didn't use those words. He said, I want one of your, one of your machines. And I'm like, well, why only three types? And they're like $300,000 a piece. And he goes, I'll pay 300,000. And I'm like, who is this? He says, this is Tony Robbins. And I knew I recognized the voice from somewhere and because yeah, he has a very distinct voice. And so I was like, oh, okay. Now I know, I know you're serious. So yeah. So we made him one minimum in another, another OsteoStrong device and I delivered it to his house and, you know, we hung out for a long time and yeah, we did have a lot in common.
A lot of the things like amends, like I w I had never been to one of his events or anything like that. I think I had heard a tape somewhere like tape, you know, maybe like, read, like it was like in my fraternity house or something like that. And I listened to it and I was like, no,
In 2005, I was introduced to the name, iconic Tony Robbins. I was in an acting class with Michael Wilson. And they're like, if you want to have a life-changing experience, go to Tony Robbins, everyone was saying, I was just like, I'm not into that woo stuff, whatever. I'm not going to go see a life. Coach changed my life. Blahbity blah, blah. But he blow and life journeys went on. You kept hearing about Tony Robbins, but someone gifted me and I have it, I have it. And I just listened to it not even long ago. And oh my God, he talks about the blueprint and how you have the likelier little girl blueprint, and then, and going back and rewriting your blueprint. So I'm a big fan of that. I have that on an audio. And then I saw his Netflix special on Netflix.
I've never partaked. And, and then through the years, I definitely wanted to, but it was like, I don't know, like $10,000 or something like that. I'm like, holy camoly is $10,000. Like, so, but the, yeah, I mean, obviously he's legendary and you're legendary. And he contacted you to be a part of what you're doing. And that's the biggest honor and compliments, I'd be so proud of yourself. You're being you and taking the actionable steps that you are to help people to empower people and to be that leader. And it's just such a beautiful thing to hear and witness. So congratulations. That's so awesome.
Thank you. Yeah. So yeah, that's that, but that's how it started with Tony. He just called me. Yeah. It's been going well, ever since
I'm being transparent here, but I'm probably gonna botch it. My mom's doctor just told her two days ago that she has Osteopenia astral. Yes, she has that. So that's on the verge of where she's headed. So what are actionable steps that she can do in her life and for other women and men out there who maybe need to be more mindful and aware of what they can do for, you know, their, their bone health and their ultimate lifestyle.
Yeah. Ultimately she needs to get to an OsteoStrong, you know, people want, and people are like, well, what can you do at home? And I'm like, well, if you could do some at home, I wouldn't have invented the thing. You know? So yeah. OsteoStrong is a medical device that puts axial compression. So this is the axis of a bone and you compress the bone from end to end. And that's what triggers growth, compress it to a fatigue point. But that computer software at OsteoStrong goes out all for, you know, it's very strict.
Got it. So that's the golden ticket. That's just like hands down, what to do
Michigan more specific.
Oh, I'm 30 minutes outside Detroit by Ann Arbor.
Yeah. There's a, there's definitely one near her. I can't think of the exact city.
So where is OsteoStrong then? And like how many countries?
Yeah, I got a huge presence in Greece. The, well we're in eight different countries. 150 clinics.
Okay. Okay, cool. And then, and then people just get on a program and they have to go X amount of times, or like as a continual thing, or maybe
You want them to go and then you want them to keep testing their bone density. I tell them that to do the blood work because it's so much more accurate than blood work. Yeah. The industry standard is to do a DEXA scan, a dual x-ray absorbing geometry test. The problem is that really looks at out the outside of the bone. It really doesn't do a very good job at looking at the inside of the bone in let's let's look at the whole thing. So what, what what's in the blood test shows the activity trauma anabolic perspective and the catabolic perspective of what's happening in the bone density, which is way more important, but you should have a DEXA scan also at some point. But the, what we want to do is first, get it trending upward.
We need a more anabolic than catabolic ratio.
And then do you do that at your normal doctor or do they do it at OsteoStrong? They do all the tests. They,
The blood lab, a blood lab would have the EAP P one NP or CTX w
Got it. Wow. This is so impactful and informative. And it's so great to know about it, you know, for our loved ones. And it's so good to know about it, you know, while we're young, vibrant, and youthful, so we can take actionable steps to protect ourselves. And for the youngsters out there, listening and watching what are some preventative measures to not go down that road to limit
Right now, I had a, I had a conversation a couple of years ago with some, some of the guys that are in charge of west point. And they were telling me that there are 18 year old males coming into west point. These guys are the best, right? Like
West point,
It's the official college of the U S army it's like Annapolis is for the Navy. So that's the, you know, it's the academy college, but you also get a military education. So west point is a very elite school. Very hard to get into physical fitness tests are hard, or at least they were, they're still hard for the people who are trying to pass it to us because every kid is kind of a weakling now. And that's, that's the problem is these, these 18 year old males who should have sky high bone density actually have low bone density. And they're not quite osteopenic yet, but they're 18 going down when you exceed 30.
So they're going to have a lower peak bone mass, which is terrible.
So for the musicians out there and artists out there who maybe aren't so active, but they don't want to go so macho into the extreme, what's a, what's a good regimen maybe per week to be able to, you know, get the optimal health and an exercise in and your perspective.
Well, I find actually through the experience, which is a very, very different way of exercise. So that's, that's my exercise product, not my medical class. I find that people are not lazy at all. People are stupid, but they're not lazy like in, by stupid. I really mean unwilling to learn, you know, like you ever have a political conversation with somebody who you like hit them with like 10 actual like real things. And they're like, well, all that's lie. Like they just, you know, they want to dismiss reality, like, okay. So I'm certainly not changing your mind
On planet earth. Let's just like, talk
About all the answers, like the weightlifters. Yeah.
Oh yeah.
I get death threats on a regular basis. But yeah, because Weight Lifting is your religion. What's wrong with you.
That's what they were taught. It's there it's limited. It's a perspective it's limited. And it
May all, they have the ones that really kick and scream about it. Maybe the only thing they have in life is I lift dangerous weights. So therefore I'm cool. Cause if you see like CrossFit videos where people are throwing their weights against the ground and make a loud noise, like that's a serious mental illness there It's like
For, for others and for themselves, if they're, if they're doing that on an external level, imagine what they're doing to themselves. However, you are to your worst enemy and me too. However, we are to our worst enemy. We're 10 times 69 times harder on ourselves, you know? So it's really sad. It's really sad. The, like you said, the education of people not being educated and, and they w they S on a circumstantial level, they were taught certain things. And so it's kind of, I want to say breaking the generational trauma, but breaking the generational mind for about, about a physical impact and how we should be fit as human beings, like to dismantle all this crap.
And that's why you have the book,
Let's wind it back and answer your questions. So, yeah, ultimately the reason I said, people are not afraid of hard exercise. It's just the time, even young people. Like they, there's a lot of stuff they'd rather do, but if they can get a workout done in 10 minutes, now, the X three makes it a very hard workout. Like it's hardest workout of your life, but it's real quick. And people don't mind that most consumer products have a 30% return rate with Fitness. It's a little higher because people are lazy and they don't, you know, they don't want to do it, or they're getting no results out of it. So 30% of the product that Fitness companies at least comes right back to them. We have a 1% return rate.
And it's usually the reason is they only unwrap the lightest band and they can't do the lightest one. And then they're just like, I don't like it. Well, I know why you didn't like it. You realize it was hard work. And you want nothing to do with that. That is really like a 1% problem. The rest of the people use it and they immediately see results. If you use it correctly, the first time you will see results in a couple of days, if you're a lean person, you're not only in person, you won't see it until you start dropping some body fat. And you can see some, some definition most, but, you know, I mean, like I'm a lean guy and I can see different things going on in my arms and my arms, different, you know, separation of different things.
So I was able to see those things,
Yours looks amazing, but how to, how to mind luck, tell me the truth what's going on here? What do you think?
Well, it needs some more. Yeah. If you, if you wanted to be a more defined person, I mean, have more muscular definition. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of the things you do, and by a lot, I mean, you know, the way I do it, cause that's a fit. I wouldn't want you to do the way other people are trying to do it because whatever percentage. And here's another thing about the Fitness Industry. I think it's so many people defending the traditional way of doing it. I tell them that this is Fitness is the most failed human endeavor. The most, like if you look, and I have data, there's studies on this, about how unfit people who engage in fitness really are, but like the lowest percentage of body fat, the lowest one percentile is 10.9% for males.
That's pathetic 10.9%. Isn't even lean. That's not even visible abdominals. That's like, maybe you can see a little bit of the top of your abdominals, but you're basically chubby or glass. Yeah. I mean, you're, you're nothing special at all. And this is the top 1%. So who is really fit, who really has, and this is part of what I want to point out to women too. And women have been dealing with this for a long time, whereas like what is presented to you as unrealistic? Okay. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, that's debatable, but how many women get modeling contracts? Very few. I mean, women want them millions. How many men let's talk about men? Because when you talk about muscle, it's more associated with masculinity.
How many look like professional athletes, there's even professional athletes that don't look like professional athletes. I got to add that in
Very true. Especially those football players, some of them just sort of like,
Yeah, well, some of them are amazing, you know, you, you and say typical wide receiver, maybe, you know, a defensive ends. Yeah. He has no motivation to be lighter. So two extra large pizzas for that guy. Yeah. Yeah. That's how they do, but they're also strong. But my point is who's really fit. One in six males have used or are currently using anabolic steroids in, in America over the age of over the age of 18 dangerous cameras. One
That's so scary and too, that's, I'm really bad for your bone density, right?
Depends on which drug. Yes. Some, some, no, but it's bad for a lot of things. Liver health, kidney health, cardiac health. Yeah. There's a lot of reasons why you really want to avoid anabolic drugs with the exception of testosterone replacement therapy, because that's just replacing what should be there. So you might have a deficit because all this chemical crap that they put in processed foods or, or like in a lot of vegetables, diminish testosterone. So like people are going towards plant based. Like they they're really hurting their testosterone, but you can get to sounds and replacement therapy, which is fine. But that puts you back to a normal level. That's not like you get, you know, the same thing that the bodybuilder gets.
No, you don't. So you should be normal when you, when you have that. But so, but these, this is not what the survey was about. It was one in six are using anabolic steroids, meaning high doses. So who's fit. Is it one in six people? Well, we already know the top percentile isn't even there. So it's not one in six it's, maybe one in 600, probably more like one 60,000. Cause look like you can, you can count all the males on Instagram that are really good shape. Maybe there's 40 of them or 50 of them in the world. So why is it that their method of doing it? If they're the only ones that have that is effective, maybe there's something unique about them, which is the last chapter of my book, the big genetic difference between the guy who guy or girl who gets really strong and doesn't has to do with attendant, alteration, all the rest of us have like our pictorials insert on the middle of your chest.
So like, like dead center, right, right on your sternum. And then the insertion point of the pectorals on the other end is typically right where the bicep starts on the humerus bone. So you bring the humerus bone across the body and toward the body. And that's what that muscle does as it shortens as it contracts. But some people, and these people are much more likely to become professional athletes have a longer lever arm in their arms, the lever arm, and an arm are two different things. So I'm talking about geometry in one perspective and an actual physical human arm in another perspective, get them confused. So instead of that insertion, right under here, right under, right at the beginning of the bicep, they have the insertion at the other end of the Bone.
Oh wow. Yeah. So, and my cousin has this, which is why he can punch someone. Who's four inches from his face and knock them out. So those people have a genetic anomaly going on with their tendon insertion points. And it's usually universal all over the body or they they're more advantageous. So they have a stronger weaker range and they can contract more musculature and just about everything they do. So it has nothing to do with drugs and has to do with leverage. It has to do with their body, giving them a strategic advantage in gaining muscle because they can load the weaker ranges. And they're able to activate more muscle in those weaker ranges, which keeps them from damaging joints.
So they get to keep doing this and doing this and doing this until they become very well developed people. My product throws that equation away, X three, throws that out. Everybody has the advantage now with variable resistance. So, and it's like the biggest genetic difference. And it's, I tell, tell people who say, oh, you know, all those guys on Instagram and shape, they're all on steroids. That's always said by somebody who has like baby in arms and a double chain and someone who's never tried anything. I see you've done a thorough analysis here, but you know, so I say like one in six people are taking steroids. No, just who's in shape, maybe one 60,000. So you're wrong. You're
The other thing I wanted to mention is that I was thinking about with the X three bar is because it's so sustainable that it's actually, you're doing great things for the environment. I mean, there's all these pieces of plastic machine bikes and junk. It's like you don't, it just takes up so much space in the world and to make all this plastic crap, like you're doing great for the environment, by having something that's so sustainable.
And it's like heirloom quality, like be able to hand it down your kids. It's so powerful, dissolve in five years,
Very important because you know, with being mindful of sustainability in our environment, commend you because I think it's, I'm very big into environmental health and my parents downstairs in the basement, they have all these machines and they just got my dad a new one, two months ago, you know? So he'll start working out again. He's been on it twice. And, but it's just like this big clunker thing that like, he, he doesn't need it. So, you know, everyone definitely check out the X three bar, you know, Tom Brady has been using the X three and many different ad videos, including his own ads. So I was wondering if you could talk about Tom Brady.
I definitely cannot. I do not pay Tom Brady. So I cannot confirm or deny whether he in or not, but there's a lot of pro athletes that use it. You know, like the guy on the Lakers, it's like one of the best guys in the NBA. And I reach out to these guys and I talked to Tom Brady's staff, you know, see if we could work something out we could not, but I know he likes it. Yeah.
Awesome. I mean, it's Tom, Brady's a big fan then. I mean, and if he uses it,
Well, he's very public about his, his liking a variable resistance. So he understands that the human body is a lot stronger at, you know, an extension of a movement versus, you know, the, the back position and him and his trainer, Alex Guerrero, they, they definitely are both seeing that in there a more efficient way to train is something that they were after. So it's all right. We're, we're fans of each other.
Cool. Very, very cool. Very cool. Pivoting, can you tell us the audience a little bit about the paper you are authored with NASA?
Yeah. I came out last week, so there were two people from NASA that work worked with me on a, on a paper. And I participated like with the other paper, from the methods perspective, but we got something done in this paper that, and I'm gonna, I'm gonna read you part of this, of this paper. Yeah. So remember what I was talking about. Blood tests, blood tests are superior to the DEXA scan because Dex is really just a picture like an x-ray is a picture. This tells you what's happening. So it's a more dynamic test. Like if you know what your anabolic level is and when your catabolic level is. And so, so just listen to this bap, which is a bone formation marker increased by 39% in the MTX, which is the breakdown marker decreased.
So we had increase of 39% and a 41% didn't create a decrease of the breakdown. So it's huge changes. And this was only after a couple of weeks with using the bone density technology. And then there's there, there's a quote. If the exercise apparatus could be condensed to the size of a shoe box to meet weight and volume restrictions imposed by NASA, it could potentially serve as a countermeasure for bone and strength loss on space exploration vehicles. So that sounds very positive. Yeah, of course it is. That's about as positive as you can get in a research study, the study is not a promotion. So yeah, that was, that was a really a really generous comment. But when they look at the results, all they care about as a results and to keep.
And so, like, I, I've spoken on a panel with some Astronauts about a couple of years before, before we started no about a year before we started this, this paper speaking about how do we get Astronauts to Mars or two biggest challenges. One is radiation. Like humans really are meant to be in space. Like there's radiation everywhere. Like our atmosphere does this huge favors, like the idea, like the whole star Trek thing where we're going to like, you know, like a bunch of groovy hippies and matching turtlenecks are going to travel to some other planet and just shake hands and make friends with aliens. And there's no diseases and there's no challenges and there's, there's no like a million things that can kill us. Like that's just fantasy.
We're going to leave the earth. Yep. When it blows up because of something humans didn't do about it, we're not going to colonize another planning, never going to happen anywhere. Can we put some people on Mars? How walk around and take a picture. Yeah, we can do that. Yeah. And would it be interesting? Absolutely. We would probably learn all sorts of things we're not even expecting to learn. So the challenge of getting humans to Mars has to do with the radiation in bone density loss. There's a two biggest challenges when it comes to keeping the astronauts alive, like we can fuel it and we can have a launch and landing vehicle. We already have the technology to do that. We put a roving vehicle there, so we know we can get there and like, you know, drop something off.
Now, all we gotta do is have the ability to pick something up and then come back, which is, you know, we're more than halfway there because we know how to do it, but you can't have dead Astronauts. They got to live and be healthy when they, when they come back. So we can fix the radiation problem by levels of shielding, by probably building something in space is we gotta take it up and pieces because it's just too heavy. Cause weight really matters when it comes to having the energy to escape the atmosphere. When it comes to bone density, we need bone compression. And that, that's what I've been working on for so many years.
And that's why this paper was so important because it's pretty simple approach now while the OsteoStrong devices with thousands of pounds and they're not the size of a shoe box, it's okay. Like, I mean, we can do that today. Well,
Congratulations. That's really cool that NASA selected your analysis and your report. That's revolutionary. So congratulations
And the authors are, they're thrilled. They really want to promote it to their peers. And of course their peers are like, you know, other people in there. So we're space X, a lot of people going back and forth frequently from space X and has to save great relationship.
Do you know, by chance, canoe will sued, oh, he's on the board at the UN. And he does things for the environment all the time. And he has event events at the UN and he always says, astronauts come, but he's so prolific and amazing. I actually want to introduce you to, because I know you can be a speaker and be a part of the community of like-minded astronauts who are involved in science and really doing unstoppable things in the world. So I would like to include you and, and, you know, into that, into that, I'm going to, I'm going to make an introduction if that's okay. Yeah,
Sure. Cool. Awesome.
Anything else you want to share on the NASA front with all this?
I just say there's more to come. Like this is a powerful discovery and now they know, I think now they know that they can solve the problem in a very simple and elegant way. And you mentioned using less materials to do more. Well, yeah. I mean, ultimately like we should always be looking at that. Remember how big computers used to be, but really this is all we need. I mean, this is a computer. Yeah. I know people that work from their phone,
Hawaii on the beach in Greece, on the islands hopping around. Oh no, I have a seriously, I have this dope video. I'm like on this massive ship going from one island to the other. And I'm like on my phone working and my friend took a video of me, like working from the sea, you know? Cause that's how we spend our summers. You know what I'm saying? Working from and see. Yeah. So I know if anyone wants to geek out, I assume I don't want to assume, but is the analysis report just public domain. If someone would want to read your work
And you can read the abstract, in fact, if you just get on my Instagram page and it's like the last highlight.
Yeah. I saw I fell the recent post, so cool. Impressive.
Yeah. So you can get the APA reference there, but copying pasting texts out of room doesn't really work because they don't want you leaving the environment. Are you on
Clubhouse?
I have an account on clubhouse. I haven't turned it on yet though.
Boston clubhouse. Oh, it's such a great tool. You'll convert so many clients and so many new viewerships and, and fans. Oh my God. We totally need to Boston to a room in there together seriously until like honor you like on the podcast and everything that just happened with NASA and just honoring you as a scientist. I mean, I would love to host you in a room on clubhouse. That would be really amazing. Oh my God, cannula, he's a boss on clubhouse and he actually has X fellows. Thousands of people are a part of the club and we'll curate it with him and we'll have you on, oh my God. People will love you in that space.
Yeah. We got to do it. I'm going to make that happen. I'm a producer. I just, just so you know. Okay. So I'm wondering about, I want to kind of pivot and turn onto the Myths and Benefits of Fasting heads up. I've instrumented facet twice. Once when I got back from the king George, because I was there and the beautiful woman, I was wearing a baby doll dress. And because it was a baby doll dress, she asked how far along I was. And yeah. So right when I came back, I did intermittent fasting and in 35 days lost 12 pounds. Yeah. So, and then I only did it one other time at the beginning of the pandemic. And then I heard the creator of the Xero app who created zero app for intermittent fasting.
He said actually, because of the pandemic and when you're intermittent fasting, your, your immune system goes just bubble just about below the breaking point. And he said, because of the pandemic it's supposed to, you're supposed to keep your immune system High. So he suggested for people not to be doing the intermittent fasting. And he said he wasn't doing the intermittent fasting. And that was so I've only done it twice. No, maybe, maybe I took the information,
Maybe 2 72 RFS. You completely refresh every cell in your immune system.
Wow. Yeah. But doesn't your, he was saying something because like you're supposed to, well during the pandemic, you're supposed to keep the immune system up, not down. And he was saying something on there.
It can suppress your immune
System, that your immune system will go down and, and it's, it's best to keep it up because of the pandemic of keeping your immune system up. So I stopped doing it. I was 23 days in and then I stopped.
Okay. You did a 23 day
Fast. Yeah. I was going for like 40. Yeah. It was amazing. I just had like a smoothie every day. Plant-based smoothie. I went 18 hours, nothing, just water.
So that's what I do every day. I eat one meal a day. So
Normally
End of the day dinner or dinner. Cause I don't like going to sleep with a lot of food in my stomach.
Yeah. So circling back to the question. What are the myths about Fasting
That it'll kill you, that you need eight glasses of water a day. There was zero science behind that. That's just some shit somebody made up now, like a lot of things that we sell, like breakfast is the most important meal of the day. So you shouldn't fast. That was written by Kellogg's to sell cereal company. Yeah. The Sherman company. Right? So
They just got sued not too long ago.
Yeah. There's a fasting has been used in sorts of religions, just for mental clarity. And I never really went down that path. The real, I mean the religious references because it's like we have scientific references and I still don't, but I like how they do it in Ramadan. So the Ramadan Fasting is a more aggressive form of Fasting. It's no food and no water hydrate. The hydrate, your body finds its hydration. You don't stay dehydrated. You rehydrate by yourself by pulling moisture out of fat cells, which destroys them. And then you go into a very rapid autophagy. The Ramadan type Fasting gives us a much more permanent type of fat loss.
And so I'm trying, now we talked before you started recording the show, we were just chatting about all kinds of fun stuff, but like the difference between motivation and discipline. But discipline person is only going to care about that day or that meal or what's right in front of them. It's split second decision making. Like you're playing a video game when you're playing a video game. It's not like, well, how is this going to affect me next week? It's like, you know, I gotta beat the bad guy. So do I run in, grab the Bulletproof vest? Or do I grab the ammunition? Because I'm such a good shot. He's not even going to hit me. We gotta be able to, you know, make that decision.
But you don't struggle over it. You just make it because you have to
Primal instincts, the fight and flight part of our brain, the reptile part of our brain. Right.
Right. And so binary decision-making is really easy. But see people look to motivation. They get very turned off because they realize there's a million steps to where they want to go. And it's like, okay, we'll put that off one day. It's no big deal. Yeah. But you'll never get there. Never. So that's just how that's a loser snake. Like don't think like that think like a champion with thing, which is just what's in front of me. They do, I want to go to bed and say I was a loser today. Which probably means I'm going to be a loser forever. Or do you want to say I did it right. And I'm one step closer. So it's pretty easy decision to make when you frame it like that. And then so, you know, am I going to break my fast and eat?
You know, somebody made a chocolate cake. Am I, am I to eat a piece that no, I'm good. I don't know if they pushed me. I'll be like, do I look like I eat chocolate cake? Like, I'll get all mean about it.
Yeah. Oh my God. There's because they're like putting, applying their stuff on you. It's like get off me. Didn't you, you heard me the first time, like
Fit shaming. What is it?
Shaming. Oh, I first time I heard that word.
Well, it was like making fun of you for like being fit, but I'm being extraordinarily in shape because I am so they can all get lost.
Oh, okay. Yeah. Cause like some people just recently will say, oh, what do you want? I'm like, oh, cause just between us here, I guess in the watcher. And I'm the viewer and the listener High. We love you. Thanks for being here. Something happened last week. I won't get the details, but it hit hard, like three different people. It hit hard. And I just, I just needed to psychologically, physically detox. And I did a fast and I didn't say anything about it. I just did. I did. I'd done it before, but I did an I wasn't like, oh, I'm going to do an emotional fast. I'm just like, I'm like took action to do an emotional fast, physical fast. I did a fast, I didn't eat anything. And a couple of people were like, oh, like, do you want anything? I'm like, no, I'm good.
Thanks. Oh, you're not going to eat anything. And I want to be like, no,
Well it's like, you're there like ridiculing you for like, not wanting to eat anything. It's just like, Hey, when you step on the scale, you happy and then just wait for the horrified look and say, yeah, I didn't think so. So
Can I say that? Oh my God, that really turns me around. I need that. I need more than that.
Well, you know, like the, one of the most powerful things that we do with each other is we peer pressure each other and our peer pressure is always used in a negative context. The afterschool special it's like, come on, you want to smoke the dope? Just like the rest of us. That way. We'll think you're cool. You know what I mean? Like nobody ever talks like that except on the, that those afterschool specials. Right. And so, but like hold your friends to a higher standard. Like I tell my friends are overweight all the time.
Oh my God. I love that. I love that.
He doesn't want to hang out with me because I'm like, Hey man, get control by. Come on.
Yeah. So I love that. I love that. And people, people need more of that. You need to be able to actually be truthful and show up for people and say it and not think your feelings are going to get hurt because you're like, Hey, like I'm saying this because I want you to stick around for another three to four years. I actually care for you.
Oh, that was my next thing. I was going to say, you need to say it in a compassionate way, but just be real about it. It's like, and I said to a friend of mine who was extraordinarily overweight and I go look, you know, his, his son's like seven and I'm like, you're looking forward to his high school graduation. And he says, yeah. And I said, are you sure you're going to be around for it? Oh yeah. And the guy was just like, dude, like that's a little hard on me. Don't you think? And I'm like, no, man, you need to take it seriously. Like you're like 200 pounds overweight and I don't want to bury you. So let's get this fixed. And also, like, I also know that people who are like morbidly obese, they're eating the Medicaid.
Something, they worry, it's anxiety that forces them to eat.
Right.
You get that, you get that big and it didn't happen by accident. They're aware, but they're also addicted based on something they're, they're replacing you or like an anxiety that to distract them from the anxiety, they just go.
Yeah. Or there's, or there's like psychological mental abuse from your circumstances and you bury yourself and then you wake up and you're this mountain of, and it's like, they were just there just eat, hiding and eating behind it and hiding, you know, I get to that point, but I definitely hit for some time. And I woke up I'm like, how did I get underneath this rock? Like I thought it was three days and it's like three years later. And then was like, whoa. I mean, has that ever happened to you? Have you ever been under a freaking rock? And you're just like, how did I get under here? I mean, we're human beings, right? We all have our ups and downs and we know our highest of our highs. Cause we've understand the lowest of the lows. And we're at the lowest of the lows. We can appreciate the joyous of the joyous moments because we know the sorrow.
Yeah. Mine had to do with a poor business decision I made, but this was a long time ago. And I ended up working with really bad people. I'd say I was just kind of sitting there being irritated for about a month. And then I built a plan to, you know, what my next moves were going to be because that's all you can do. The behavior of these people was out of my control.
Thank you for sharing all that. And so Optimizing nutrition, the body needs protein. Let's talk about
Your body needs high quality protein. There's no way around it. So I made a, I made a product called Ford engine. It helps vegans a lot who don't get high quality protein. And I'm sorry. I know impossible burger wants to tell you that pea protein is great. About 9% of it is used by the body. It also comes with an incredible, just load of all sorts of other artificial chemicals and colors and things like that, which are toxic. Yeah. I wouldn't, I wouldn't feed an impossible burger to my enemy know,
Well, I've only had it one time, years ago. I'm in studio city, California. I don't know. Like our bodies are very intelligent. Like we know things. And, and for me, like when I was a kid, I never watched the news. I just, I'm such an empath and very sensitive. I never watched the news. It was just all chaos and junk and something. When this impossible burger came around, something told me no. And I was just always know about it. And I've heard for years, like how bad it is. And I'm like, oh, I'm not surprised. Like it's not good for you. And you're explaining the reason why it's not good for you. I didn't know those things. I didn't understand the concept of why I just knew it. Wasn't right.
So impossible burgers don't count for quality protein. They're garbage quality. And most vegetables aren't really counted at all. Either even steak is 38% usable by the body. Eggs are 48%. But then the bacterial fermentation products that I came out with, it's called , that's almost a hundred percent usable by the body. So that almost no nitrogen waste is created. So like I take four doses of that a day. Here's how my day goes. A lot of people really want to hear this because it's not like I'm acknowledging particular way to eat is the right way. I'm just saying this is based on all my scientific analysis and everything that I put together from the different concepts, Fasting, carnival nutrition and, and dry fasting, like put, just putting that all together.
And it's like, cause people email the company all the time. Like what does Dr. Jacobs do? Like I want to know what he does cause he's obviously succeeding. And I think he's doing a little bit more than he's telling us. And it's not much more with a way I executed is probably a little more serious than others. So to get the longest facet Benefit, I want to do all my eating in hydration in a short window. Now carbohydrates are not nutrition really at all and are not needed to sustain life. In fact, they're not even a macronutrient proven that a couple of times we're looking at like they're completely unnecessary for life.
However, we like them because where they show up in nature is at the end of the hot season, going into the cold season where it is advantageous to be as fat as possible. That's why car wide rates exist to get us as fat as possible. Or we can use them strategically to refuel Glycogen in, in, in, you know, get energy back into the muscle. So like Zach better, he's a friend of mine. He holds is a person. I think he's a world record holder in the a hundred mile run. Wow. Yeah. A hundred miles,
100 miles. I did 26.2 in Alaska IRA. I ran up power mountain McKenley sidebar. I was a part of this company called team and train and I raised $4,500 because I was miss Michigan teen one year. And you know, to do something, to document my leadership ability, I connected with team and train because my background is a runner and I raised $4,500 and I donate to kids with leukemia and lymphoma disease. And I went to Alaska and I ran a marathon 26.2 miles one time, one and done. I'm not a marathon runner, but yeah. Wow. A 100 miles is a lot. Whew.
He he's Carnivore, but he takes in carbohydrates while he's on the run to convert it to energy, to be used. So he is like fueling and burning, like right at the same time I use carbohydrates to replenish glycogen stores use like right after workout. So, you know, like if I go into a workout dehydrated, which like before a photo shoot, you would do, and then you take carbohydrates and then begin to work out. Like immediately all that Glycogen gets pulled into muscle. Cause there's so much signaling to use it. And then, so I can, I can, hyperhydrate the muscle. Then I start drinking fluids, rehydrating the muscle with the fluid and with the Glycogen, which is just sucking all that fluid up and then I'll stretch.
And that creates a, a condition called Hyperplasia, which is where the muscle cells actually split and become two cells. So that's why it's like carbs liquid workout, like all like beginning, you know? And like maybe I want to say an hour and a half period where the know the workout kind of happens at the end of the end of that period. And then I go right into whatever my one meal of the day is. So I try and do this like before dinner time and then because I've had,
And out in the morning, you work out in the afternoon and we're going to be engineered right before you're going to your food. Yeah,
Yeah. That way I get to really have the rest of the time, dry fasted. So then I have a huge cup and you know, I fill that with, with four to gen. So I do four doses of foreign Jan in here. And so I get 200 grams of my protein taken care of. And then for dinner, a little carbohydrate, won't kill you at this point because you're, you're dry fasting, but you want to rehydrate while you're eating. So you actually need a little bit more carbohydrate. And remember I develop this for the regular person to stick to because run because when I was just going like three days, no, no food, no water. And just dropping pounds of body fat. Yeah. That worked for me. But nobody else would do it.
Yeah. You have the mental discipline, which is my regular matter. I have that too. Being an athlete. Not everyone else can do it though. I get
People would get like five hours into it and they're like, I just couldn't do it like
Emotional eaters. It's like, it shows you their strength of their mind actually. And their character
Mila day, they still get to eat. They still get to have some carbohydrates. So I'll do like a bacon cheeseburger for dinner, which most people can get on board with. So I'm actually not eating that much food and I'm rehydrating. So that's also high sodium food is good. Cause I'm trying to get as much water in my system and that like four-hour window. So it's really like a 20 hour dry, fast, and then four hours of eating and drinking. So I can really read
The sodium. What kind of salt are you doing? Got it. Okay.
Or just see solid. It depends on like, I travel a lot. I still try to allow, I, I said I wasn't going to travel as much, but I'm still kind of am
I have not been traveling at all. I've been totally laying low, But I know a lot of people who are out there busy flying around.
Yeah. I used to fly 200,000 miles a year. That's not going to happen anymore. But those were like Greece trips, China trips. Russia.
Yeah. Oh, so the, the protein you were talking about, can I put that in my smoothies? Yes.
And your smoothie just put that Eva in it, which makes it a little sweeter.
Okay. So I don't have to put honey then. Nope. If it's already sweetie. And then I'm cool. I'm going to, I'm going to get some and I'm going to try it
Out. Jen. Doesn't play well with other proteins.
Okay. Yeah. Cause I have the one I have is a, is a plant-based chocolate wine. Cause I love chocolate. Okay. But I have this pre fiber thing. I can do the pre fiber. I can do the college. And does it have collagen in it too
Or no
College in conflicts. Don't put the college in and they're either. So what can you do it with macadamia milk, oat milk. Can you do it with like that? Or do you want to do it more with like a water, water, water?
We can do another show on like nut milks, milk and almond.
I can't even have almonds because it makes me like bloated. Shouldn't be nuts. No nuts, no nuts, no nuts. What about oh, so no macadamia milk. The volume that I was telling you about it said stay away from oat milk. It said do. It said I'll do coconut,
Coconut,
Coconut. So stay away from the, I will own milk taco, but so even, even the macadamia, I should stay away from that. Huh? I'm done.
I'm a,
I'm going to be a Costco mom in the near future. Like I, I get things like by like a quarter it's like, if I get like toothpaste, I buy like three or four. So I just get it, like once every three to four months, you know what I mean? So like my macadamia milk, I got like two cases of them from Costco.
Not yet. You're going to run out of things
In the macro. It's like, if it's going to preserve, instead of me going like once a month to get something, I might as well just stock up for three to four months and do it in that kind of rotation. That's how I kind of work. God willing I'll have kids. But when I was younger, I was, I was always like, I'm going to be a Costco mom. Cause I loved having just a pantry full of like everything that you need. It's like, I get excited, like a kid in a candy store, you know, just being like stocked up on the good stuff.
I eat almost every meal in a restaurant. We have nothing in common. Oh yeah. Yeah. I'm always out.
You're going. Oh, cause you're in California. People are going to the restaurants. No problem. Right.
I know the restaurants that, you know, put Gavin Newsome on a dartboard and they just are hidden.
Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm not really talking about food anyway. Like day-to-day food, I'm talking about more like toilet tree deodorant. I'm a Costco mom in that way.
I just order everything from Amazon. Cause I don't wanna, I don't want to take a trip to Gaza.
Well, I don't either. They deliver it. I have the Instacart. Trust me. I am not an affiliate with Instacart, but you know, in a rotation, I like it delivered me to no way, but I love Amazon too. And we're not, I'm not an affiliate with Amazon either. Yeah. Coolio, Coolio. So any other thoughts or anything you want to share?
I think we covered a lot. It was great.
Really, really seriously. I am intrigued though. I'm like, this is what I want to get into. Like what motivated you and excited you about, about science?
I think it's just always came easy. Looking at some things like some things people find very stressful. Others people feel like it's breathing. Yeah. When I had to find a research when I do a research paper with references. Cool. Yeah, I know I'm better than everyone at that. So that, that was, that was pretty obvious. Just like science courses would just effortless to me
That, oh my God. I, I love, I love neuroscience. I love Dr. Joe Dispenza. I love Dr. Gregg Braden. He is so cool. He, I was watching something with him and he was sharing how, what makes us different as a human species is just chromosome two and chromosome seven C2 and C7 is, are the only reasons of
How we are different than any other species living on the planet. I just thought that was so exciting. You know? So growing up, you know, as a youngster, was there a scientist or two that you really admired who was your mentor? And then it's a two-part question. And then, and then one that you actually got to meet in life. No, no, no. I didn't think that probably like when I was a really little kid, I thought that Dr. Quest was cool, but he's a cartoon character, you know, Johnny quest, the TV
Show, I know the name.
So his father was a scientist and his father would apply science in a way where they were always in these crazy adventures where people were like, you know, doing like, like this is a Jurassic park, got, it's got the, I concept guy that started like, somebody would take the DNA of like, you know, a dinosaur bone and create dinosaurs to take over the world. And you know, it was a corny TV show, but I was like of all the like superheroes, like Dr. Quest was the coolest because he understood how things worked. Like I just, that's what I want. I want to understand how something works even now, like somebody, you know, the car breaks down and they can't diagnose the problem is, and then they'll tell me like, oh yeah, it just kinda just kind of slow down and start to stop. And I'm like, well, did the lights dim while it was slowing down in the link?
Yeah. You know, that's an alternator problem, but they don't know that because they don't know anything works. So I just, I always wanted to be the guy who was able to understand what was really happening around me. And so, you know, later on I did have, I had a fifth grade teacher who I thought was really cool. He had a PhD and, and, and zoology. And so like he, in his classroom, he got all kinds of special clearances. He had like rattlesnakes in his classroom in cages. And it was just like, like, why are you allowed to have that? And he was like, well, you know, I'm here. Like I know how to handle them.
It was just really, really interesting guy. And I learned a lot from him. I learned a lot from my father who designed and built a lunar Rover for NASA.
Cool. Let's talk about that for a minute.
And there is not much, I can say that, but I'm quite a bit before I was born.
Wow. So you, so NASA is in your family, blood. Yeah. Very cool. Very neat. Oh my gosh. What a cool honor.
It was, it was very interesting growing up with a person who solved problems for a living. That's kind of what ultimately what I wanted to do. And that's what I do.
Yeah. Creating solutions for, you know, our health. Thank you so much. And, and, and for being you and doing the work that you're doing, and it's just, it's such an honor to connect with you. And it's been a really empowering conversation. And I know you've gifted a lot of value to the viewer and listener and you know, I value you and you know, the most important thing is our time and our attention and spending time with me right now. I'm just, I'm so grateful. Thank you so much. It's such a, such a pleasure and I'm going to have everything in the show notes. So you can a link below and any last words of wisdom or any last words you want to share before we sign off
The, on people who are debating their career path or their education. I have three degrees. I don't particularly value any of them. So you learn, like in fact, I pretty much went path of least resistance. Like I went to Sacramento state for undergrad. That's like the number one university on highway 50. It's also the only university on highway 50, which is why I love saying that. Like, nobody cares. Like if you achieve something, nobody cares where you go to school. It doesn't matter. And so don't get distracted by shiny objects. In fact, I, I met a CEO recently said I'd never hire anyone from an Ivy league school.
And I said, why? I think I, I, I thought I knew why. And it turns out I was right. He says, because that's all the lover accomplish. Most of them, you know, it's like, oh, I went so-and-so place. And that they think they'll, they'll be able to just say that wherever they go and everybody will just think that right. Well, the problem is in real life, whether you're right or wrong actually matters because you could bury a business or I can thrive. But just saying, you know, I went to such-and-such for school, doesn't make a business successful. It doesn't do anything. All you get, all you get is an attitude and a demand of overpayment. And then will they get, let go? And then they go pull the same stunt at
Another company, right? So the ego, the clout
In, what would people really want to know when they employ you? Or when you go off and do your own thing, let's see you have investors, or you just need the buy in of your significant, other as your, as your emotional support. When you get something started, whatever it is, you gotta be in a position, not where you have the education to do it. Cause it doesn't mean anything. Cause millions of others that have the same education, what did they do? Nothing. So we got to keep in mind is whatever you decide to do that. You're the world's expert on that. Have you want to develop the world's best toothbrush? And you do a literature, literature review on teeth, clean different effective methods. And you really believe that you will.
And here's where you have to be. You have to have absolute conviction. You're right. So like when some gym industry clown wants to argue with me, you know, and he's got all the accessories, he's got the sideways hat and a stainless steel ring on every finger. So he's smart obviously. And these guys, you know, they, they come at me and they have some sort of question that really think that got me, like, man, I've heard that question hundreds of times really here's the, you know, so like, and, and with OsteoStrong like these gym people are like just self-propelled sandbags compared to the physicians I had to argue with to get, you can only imagine changing the medical landscape is very difficult unless you have the proper documentation and evidence and I do and a half, which is why OsteoStrong is successful.
The reason he's successful is, you know, and I, I put it all in, in the book, Weight Lifting like here is the evidence that proves my statement. Now, if what I did didn't exist with Weight Lifting, be good. Sure. I guess we'd still be very inefficient, but now there's a better way. And if you care about the practice of weightlifting and being as strong and as lean as possible, which are the two greatest drivers of long life, by the way, you should care to read that because it will change the world.
Beautiful. Thank you for sharing those wise words. I almost started crying. Like I was like getting ready for it. I'm like, I'm, I'm just being moved right now. I'm I am. I'm so moved by hearing those words and especially, you know, for the youngsters hearing it, you know, it's, it's insecurity, it's it's money. It's ego. It's the cloud. It's, you know, it's the system it's society of the projection of the illusion that you were saying earlier. It's the illusion. So just to, to hack all that you know, from, oh, wow. I mean, thank you so much. And everything will be in the show notes, the book, check it out. And I'm definitely going to be calling OsteoStrong immediately on behalf of my mother and getting her involved.
So I'm going to take actionable steps on that for her and do the research and check it out. So if anyone, you know, if you're moved and inspired, please share this with a family friend member. Anyone you think that would benefit from this podcast, audio and video. And if you are on the audio, definitely go to the sophisticated psychos, YouTube channel and check out the video because we are bossing over here. What's so what do you think about whey protein? Whey protein.
It's a very low quality. Those, it only absorbs it a percent of 18.
I haven't done whey protein and like seven years. I knew it. I just wanted to hear it from you.
Yeah. I wouldn't. If somebody gave it to me for free, I would just buy when I got home, I'd start away.
And then what about hemp? Protein? No.
No. I mean, it's, there's protein in hemp, but it's so unusual by the body. Like got it. Yeah. They understand a lot of people would like to believe plants, give us everything. They don't sorry, not even close. Like if you actually see a vegan who has no processed food, they're probably may shaded. Especially if they've been doing it more than six years, they're probably close to death of malnutrition. Oh
No. Yeah.
You, you you're the, body's not meant to do that.
My sister was vegan for a while and now she's just turned into this Carnivore. She's been doing this Carnivore diet. She's been eating like beef liver or liver. I mean, she's been going like, she's been going straight. She was even doing aunts. She was eating those ants. You know, you heard about that, but she went, huh? You know what I'm talking about? I haven't done that, but she that's. What do they ask? But
That's served,
Right? Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Well maybe in the near future, we can have you back on, it would be an honor to honor you and add value and, and share more of your stories. Cause I'm sure you have so many of them. Okay, cool. Well, thank you Dr. John. I appreciate you so much. Okay, cool. We're signing out over here and we'll see you next week. Thank you so much for joining us. We'll see you next time. Kyriaki, over and out.